This week on The Huddle Paul, Daniel and Jose discuss taking care of all of your tools, the most important one being your body.

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all right well we'll kick this thing off

welcome everybody

to this week's huddle where we come to

you every single Tuesday with the

exception of two or maybe three over the

last uh almost every single Tuesday

um

and we like to discuss how to maintain

forward progress in your flooring career

so

whether that's growing your business in

different areas uh we talk a very wide

variety of topics in today's topic is uh

maintaining your tools

and that really starts uh with your body

being the uh number one tool that you

use in flooring and I know I got two

gentlemen with me today as always is

Daniel and Jose

and um they know a bit about uh

installing and and how to keep your body

from falling apart but I did think we

figured you know we could start with a

little bit of

um you know actual tools

um one of my pet peeves as an installer

uh in the old days and for sure when I

was out in the field every day

dirty patch trials or or somebody

leaving patch their trial and just

letting it dry or glue on a trowel and

letting it dry or whatever

um

pet peeve I'm just letting you know I

share the same one I know that trials

are not uh Ultra expensive but why spend

money where you don't need to by

breaking them when you try to scrape off

a half inch of floor patch or thin set

or whatever off of a trawl uh this seems

real low-key here but

it is my pet peeve but it's not about it

being expensive right it's about going

and grabbing it and getting ready to use

it and it's no longer

in the condition you need it to do a

good job and you don't have no notice

that that's that's where the pet peeve

comes in for me

well that and and uh like maintain you

know we all have much uh more expensive

tools or equipment that we need to

maintain uh I bring up the trial because

a mentor of mine at my let's says

how you do one thing's how you do

everything in a given you know vertical

so how you take care of your trial is a

pretty good indicator of what your van

looks like

almost guarantee you

you go up and you see a patch trial

that's just been Caked Up

time after time and it looks like crap

just go to their van I don't or their

their their truck I'd almost guarantee

you it's a mess uh same with if it's a

tile company or a tile installer and

their trials are you know caked full of

thin set or they're grout floats have

old grout on them and they're going to

try to scrape them clean when they need

them I I don't understand that like

thought process it's so much easier to

clean it when it's wet but

I've I've seen it a hundred times if

I've seen it won and

the point here that on actual tools and

equipment before we get to your your

physical health

um

the real the real fact is if you don't

take care of the trials your your saws

probably uh you know a mess you're you

probably have a dull wheel on your you

know your breaker board

um it's just all the you got to take

care of what takes care of you all right

we've hit on this before we've not done

an episode on it but we have hit on this

before uh in some previous episodes but

so anyway that's one of my pet peeves

what do you guys see out in the field

that really I mean Jose kind of chimed

in he shares that but what do you see on

here uh with uh different performing

Crews that like drive you nuts from a

maintaining your I mean these are your

assets that's another thing in your work

area

the work area right like

man just

there's no reason to throw scraps

everywhere and then have to clean it up

it's just as simple to keep it in the

pile and then pick up one pile at the

end of that room or the end of the day

or the end of the job

um and they have member that's always

been a pet peeve of mine

um Daniel knows it has been uh but that

along with the tools of course and uh

you you hit it right on the noses

clean trials usually equals clean

organized man and try to

everybody hated me for a long time

because at the end of the day I'd say

we're ready to go and I'd go outside the

band would be in shambles like everybody

just throw things in there I'm like ah

all the tools back out what it's 5 30.

it's six o'clock you know I I don't care

dude like if I don't know where they're

at then I don't want that in there like

that because I'm gonna have to clean it

all the tools back out it's going to

take 10 minutes for all of us or it's

going to take two hours of myself

that's the thing it's saving time the

next day just thinking about that trial

like the patching trials someone leaves

that patch on there and then you gotta

grab a four inch scraper and start

scraping that off and then you're

already looking at you know 15 20

minutes of just trying to get a tool

ready that should have been ready

right away

yeah yeah

and it kind of comes down to uh

Eduardo chimed in here and said howdy

guys and how it says this is true I I uh

I think I I share your

there's sediment there it's certainly

true and you know how you take care of

your body

um

I know this is a you know we're based in

flooring but the fact is is taking care

of yourself in any skilled trades

important I know this has come up like

uh

probably hit you know been more of a

topic uh in the recent years we kind of

talked about how uh the females in the

uh trade that we know

seem to do a better job of doing of

taking care of themselves than we do

whether in gloves or you know good knee

pads really caring but there's also

like the fact that you get up and down

in your joints and your knees and how

long do you expect

yeah hips how long do you expect a tool

to last well

you're you're one of the tools at your

disposal you're one of the major assets

so

um about five years ago uh

I when I was installing I was I was in

good shape

and then as I got into the office uh I

ballooned up to about 205 pounds and uh

so this last five years has been a

journey for me in taking care of my body

taking care of my health I'm 46 and

trying to you know

live as close to

you know 100

way to say that you ballooned up to a

weight that is still less than me thanks

well I I don't know did I show you guys

that picture of me yeah you did you did

not have fat pictures yeah

I mean you're looking at my fat picture

right now so

so the point is uh

like I'm not talking about weight loss

or whatever but I do have a lot of

experience in it now uh I've maintained

the weight loss for the last five years

uh I know these gentlemen have

uh dropped some weight over the years as

well and

like I I don't want to sound like I'm

preaching here but it it certainly is

important for you to take care of your

your body as best as possible being at a

weight that you feel comfortable with

that doesn't mean you have to be skinny

or super fit or whatever just a weight

that you feel comfortable working here

that's a good a good way to put it and

um you know

my 255 pound ass out there working my

knees are killing me a hell of a lot

more than they do when uh you know when

I decide to get out there now

um that extra weight you know you got to

just be at a comfortable weight

my doctor's terms I'm overweight like by

10 or 15 pounds I feel great at the

weight I'm at

um

but all that being said like proper

hydration making sure that you're

hydrated uh this isn't a fitness class

but it's certainly important to

understand that how you treat your body

how you treat your all your tools

everything that it takes for you to get

a job done is important

um so

we in fluorine are up down up down up

down all day long

um unless you're doing well twerking and

stretching and

some very odd positions to to get some

cutting done and then if you do the

flash cove you're always laying on your

belly yeah

yeah learn how to do things left-handed

I mean there's a lot of

a lot of Mind and Body coordination

that's got to go into a lot of what we

do as well

yeah so I mean it the the truth is you

know we don't do as much carpet in our

industry like real good broad Loom

carpet in the commercial world uh as as

back when I was installing but even

proper lifting of things that was a huge

deal I never got injured from lifting

carpet and I did it for years and years

and years and it was just lifting it

properly so remember to take care of

yourself don't get in such a doggone

hurry on a job that you're just yanking

stuff from one spot to the next and

injure yourself and what happens when

you injure yourself is you lose money

especially if you're a subcontractor uh

you're going to lose money you don't

unless you have workman's comp on

yourself

um

you're gonna lose some money you're

going to be sitting even if you do have

workman's comp you're going to go to

they'll cover your medical expensive I'm

going to cover your time off necessarily

uh being self-employed

um so

yeah I want to add to that too is um and

an injury isn't always noticeable right

away I will let you guys know that like

is something if you're doing something

the wrong way for an extended period of

time the injury might not be a torn

muscle or or you might not walk away say

oh I'm hurt right now but over the

course of five years ten years

um you could sustain some long-term

injuries by just not thinking things

through an improper technique yes that

creeps up on you all of a sudden

you're back whatever your knees so I

mean

take it with uh you know

take this how you

um and apply it to your life to your

career as you will but properly taking

care of yourself and thinking about your

next uh move when you're doing flooring

is important

um these guys get out there I've seen

guys going you know they're just getting

after it and I'll tell you a story we

have

um we had a guy on our cruise that he

was 34 and

awesome

CFI certified guy I think he got all the

uh was C2 certification uh had some

other trainings very very good installer

cared about his work but he went at

everything like he's killing snakes and

a couple years ago it's been about three

or four years ago him and his brother

were a team they were one of our subs

and they both quit and they went to

start driving trucks

making way less money but uh they were

doing

delivery truck driving paid by the hour

and

um one of them came back because of the

money the other one has made his life

work for the last three like I said

three or four years and he was a

wonderful installer we lost and the only

reason was because he just said my

body's breaking down he was 35.

my body's breaking down I can't keep

doing this forever

so that brings up a few things that

is probably past

um

is it real echoey when I talk

no okay uh

it brings up a few things

um you know first off

obviously like I said taking care of

yourself

not going at things so so crazily

um

and realizing that you've got a long

career ahead of you

but how many of these guys

that that

when we are talking about shortage and

labor you know having a

um

the next step after installation we've

talked about that in some podcasts and

there's opportunities out there whether

it's you know be an assessor with go

Carrera or a

you know a mill rep or a tech rep or

whatever there are some verticals

um we we aim to continue to improve that

but uh that's one thing the industry's

talked about a bit you know the life

expectancy of a flooring contractor I

say life expectancy you're in 10 years

and you die so it seems like it

sometimes I'm at the career expectancy

like how long are can you can you do

this right

um hey Eduardo said the belly is uh is

your third pad

uh

that's kind of funny

um

anyway doing some

some things to uh maintain your career

but then building your mind a lot we've

done a lot of uh podcasts huddles on how

to improve your skills and those kinds

of things that will allow you to move to

that next step in the future

um and maybe take a tech rep job or take

an assessor uh position any of that kind

of thing uh you got to build your mind

but also you got to take care of your

body I know a lot of old installers that

just didn't do it and they're paying for

it now I was on that path I didn't wear

knee pads and take care of myself

luckily I was not in uh you know every

day on my knees

for 30 years I got it I got up and and

uh started my company uh fairly early in

my career and was able to get off my

knees and probably you know 10 to 15

years or whatever it was but point is

take care of yourself guys gals uh in

fact guys talk to the gals because

they'll tell you how to do it uh but you

know maintaining maintaining

um

your your career really and keeping it

going forward like the Huddle says you

know forward progress is you gotta have

a body that's gonna stick with you

through this so I know balance for sure

what's that

so you got to find balance for sure you

know you can't have one without the

other

yep

and I know this is going to fall on a

bunch of deaf ears but uh because I'm no

fitness trainer or anything but I can

just tell you from experience I've

watched a lot of guys go down and uh I

just gave you an example of a guy that

was 35 and quit our industry we want to

talk about Labor shortage part of the

problem is you know some of these guys

by go at it so hard that by you know

year 10 they're ready to get off their

knees and get into something else

because their body's breaking down so

what are some what's your guys's

thoughts I'm not a personal trainer I

just thought we'd have an open

discussion about this yeah

um

because if we're talking labor shortage

and you got 35 year olds quitting

because their body's not keeping up what

do we do

number one thing for me man is I don't

care who you work with or who you work

under or what kind of competition they

make go invest in some knee pads right

away

right away man like

I didn't wear knee pads for I don't know

the first five six years of my career

and I'd like to get those five or six

years back to be honest with you because

there's a lot of moving Parts down there

man you

I was like I was a lot bigger when I

started a lot bigger in those five or

six years that's a lot of weight a lot

of movement on those knees and my shins

and my ankles and my back for improper

support

um you know it's a domino effect I would

say an epad would be my number one thing

you guys wear back braces I know a

couple guys as they install

it is a hit or miss on me and sometimes

yes sometimes no would you say Daniel

yeah sometimes I wear a back brace

it just depends on how messed up I am at

that moment yeah there's more uh where

where when you when you feel you need it

instead of trying to prevent right but

if you're down down doing BCT or you

know you're going to be down for you

know an hour and a half at a time I can

see a back break being very helpful

uh for that time and moving it yeah he's

63 and a half pounds a box moving that

crap around can uh catch up to you

pretty quick too

yes

so Rollin says that uh

he can do

let me see him find it

when you're 134 you can do what you want

he he

is uh maybe

the oldest man alive

still doing flooring he rocks by the way

you do a great rolling for for all the

years you've been installing brother you

ought to tell us what you what you've

done right and then uh Jorge says that

you know using power stretchers it's

where it's at let the tools do the work

for you and that's 100 damn it I wish I

would have thought of that that's

brought that point up that that may be

the most important point and Jeremy says

that playing softball helps keep you in

shape but

I think uh a lot of it has to do with

your diet because I I've seen him gain a

little bit of poundage over the years

maybe it's the bear in the softball

tournaments

I don't drinks much he doesn't he

doesn't drink okay well he just doesn't

eat vegetables

I I got a comment says health and

discipline go hand in hand with Career

Success

yes

I would agree so with what I'm thinking

is

um like Jose said that you know coming

in and not using knee pads and that that

really messed mess messed me up but

what I really didn't pay attention to

was the hips and just like uh walking on

Old adhesive and stuff my hips used to

kind of pop out all the time

and now

um I just had the weight loss surgery

like a year and a half ago and the

reason I got it was because during covid

one of my hips just went out on me while

we were on a job site like I went to go

stand up and I just went right back down

and I I couldn't do anything

so what was that what what do you think

that like

particular like what were you installing

what what was it the glue adhesive

walking on that for expense I think that

has a lot to do with it because I

remember coming up and then always

walking on that adhesive and taking

those steps and I would feel my hips

stretching but not only that it's when

you're installing you know you're

constantly have your legs out on an

angle and you're not really sure you

figure your posture and everything

you're just trying to get in the best

position to install

so what's the worst flooring to install

from uh

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from this with this perspective about

you know your body wear and tear my

opinion my opinion is VCT

because it's such small and compact you

don't think about it because of the size

and but you'll grab a box and you'll

rotate it you'll put a box here there

you'll reach you'll leave lean backwards

as far as you can Ben grab you know a

half a box with one hand and slide it

forward

um I think that I think VCT is probably

one of the ones that

got me the best of me over the course of

my installation career

um

only because of how much we did probably

that probably has a lot to do with it

too I did we did a lot of bzt when I

started it

um you just don't think about it uh

because it is so small and compact but

when you're working with a roll of

carpet or sheet buying them you're

you're like I gotta lift it here I got a

pivot here I'm gonna need help with that

now the damn carpet can be heavy and you

gotta get lights of stairs sometimes

can't fit it in elevators

uh you know you got a 60-foot drop on

the second floor it's not going in an

elevator at least not your normal size

elevator so I think that's that from I

would say carpet uh at water it says uh

says ceramic

oh yeah I I don't know

um ceramic to me has always been like

the oldest installers I know are in

ceramic tile

like the older guy I'm talking 60s and

70s

I had a I had a guy that worked for me

uh he retired when he was 72 and he came

back when he was 74 and worked till he

was 80. installing ceramic tile and

passed away he retired about 81 or

whatever and he worked for other uh

flooring contractors uh

flooring companies as well but

um his nickname was cowboy and he was a

hell of an installer but he he went on

forever dude it wasn't until he retired

that he ended up passing away about

three or four years later but uh of

course he was 83 at that point but he

couldn't he couldn't quit moving he was

one of those you know Sparky guys that

just could not sit still so tried

retirement on for a day or two and then

went back at it but

um resilient I mean all of it's hard on

your body don't get me wrong and Jeremy

says that he thinks that the the rolled

rubber flooring the the thicker stuff

three quarter inch oh yeah that's that's

what gets it for him and then the

adhesive that comes with it because you

gotta if you're not using two hands to

spread it you're not spreading it right

that is a good point that damn urethane

adhesive when you're doing a rubber

floor

man Dirk says that carpet was always

hardest on him and I kind of agree with

that especially

in the early part of my career because I

didn't know what a crab stretcher was

for a long time

it was the grab the kickers and

start kicking like kick this seam

together the glue's already set up and

this still gotta go so

so starting to sound like just every bit

of flooring gifts depends on what day

and what month it is right

yeah so they all have their they all had

their tough Parts I I do got to say I

remember doing a gym floor and you want

to talk about a sore elbow after

spreading that freaking urethane

adhesive for

all day long and then on top of that

everything's heavy

bulky that's a good point as well

what did uh what did

um the guy say about car oh the crab

stretcher that's a dang good

um comment as well I didn't have a crap

I didn't even know crab stretchers

existed for probably five years after

installing it was horrible

I could probably still I could probably

still break a cinder block with my knee

but I would prefer not to kick anything

with that thing anymore it probably

wouldn't walk for a few weeks after that

two knee braces

Robin says to keep in shape he still

plays Sports

but what he thinks is uh kept him going

for the 150 years so far is he's gonna

learn how to lift

and balance a load and he stretches uh

before he he starts working

there you go that's a good that's a good

points Roland's been around for a long

time

if if he says to stretch before you get

going that's probably a good idea he

also brought up like all the balancing

and all that and he hit on that

um as well Daniel is use equipment you

got for carpet you got carpet dollies uh

if you don't have a carpet dolly put a

piece of wood block of wood over your

two-wheel dolly lay it down and it will

work as a carpet dolly If the roll is

not too big you don't even need the

woods sometimes just put the carpet on

there and it sometimes it's still

working yeah as long as you're not going

I always did the little wood just

because they wanted to increase the

carpet too bad when I was getting ready

to install but

uh point is you know use equipment to

move your stuff around use

um you know like I said they they have a

lot of this I know that one of the

best tools and cheap models cheap bottle

rollers I mean sorry oh man right this

whole thing is about taking care of

tools right and taking care of yourself

I just

um replace the rollers on our sheet

vinyl cart because we use this so much

that the bearings went out yeah and

I'm not gonna go old school and start

rolling it again I actually bought

another one and then replaced the the

stuff so that now we have two and then

he got another one for free from

somewhere so we got three and it's well

we've just kind of went full circle

right there on how taking care of your

tools can take care of your body yeah

keeping that stuff up to you know stuff

um and keeping your tools in good shape

and demo tools too I know the some of

the demo tools are expensive but you

know we were on a project a few months

ago and the guys had

um big you know

um hammer drills basically one inch

hammer drills with a a flat paddle on

the end taking up DCT

they beat their asses to death excuse my

French

for hours doing that they were wasted

after tearing up 3 000 feet now I know

that some of the tools that Danny sells

over at Wolf

uh can be expensive uh or even the

Nationals

um but investing in some of those uh

self-propelled demo machines demo we

didn't bring up demo

especially Lee's wet set oh beat my ass

several times still does we just we just

had some guys carrying some off of a

stage and I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry

to the preferred team my apologies but

uh a wood a wood stage by hand and one

inch strips and it uh one week man for

like 100 yards I mean it was it was

pretty bad

yeah you got like the trifecta you can't

even use a real good demo machine on a

wood stage

no we tried everything did you try the

carpet puller yep the

tried the carpet floor tried the the

turbo machine tried the we call it the

mini turbo I don't even know the real

name of it

the Duro Duro Duro Duro stripper we

tried that with the blades upside down

backwards sideways

I just know even when you do your best

you're going to end up doing something

that's why you got to stretch

I hope you guys stretch before that

stage because that sounds like a pain

I'm just saying like that demo if you

can you know in commercial we're

typically on concrete slabs most of the

time and I know there's a lot of

residential on the coasts and you know

different areas that's uh concrete slab

uh in in the midwest there's a lot of

wood substrate with basements and so

it's hard to to use a heavy machine or

even some of the demo machines that just

tear the wood apart

um but there's other like for tearing up

carpet glue down carpet you know that

right carpet puller the old cage puller

that thing you know we we've got two of

them one of them's been I mean I've

literally had it since like 90.

596 bought it from my boss that I worked

for at the time I guess I actually owned

it since 99 but uh I was using that same

machine in in 95 96 so they last a long

time

uh a lot of this equipment cost you a

few thousand bucks but if you take that

over lost time wear on your body and

long-term Health they're worth the

investment guys in my opinion yeah and

Jorge brought up uh furniture moving

that's hard on your body oh man they got

Furniture slides for that

Furniture slides of slings that go under

you know those types of people air sleds

holy smokes I remember the first time we

used those I would I think I went home

and moved my refrigerator just for fun

you know I've been wanting to clean

behind this thing let me use this

funny

yeah though so using equipment taking

care of the equipment takes care of your

main piece of equipment which is your

body and you you think like we have uh

one of our

the first ride on removal machine that

we bought we bought

over 10 years ago and it's just crazy to

think that it's been that long because

especially this guy over here he's like

man we just bought that we bought it

like 10 years ago

and it's it's still working I mean the

bad the they don't sell the original

charger for it anymore so it beeps all

the time which is super annoying but I

mean it's it's still doing its job it's

still running

yeah I just put new batteries in mine

about six months ago my national

yeah maintaining it not the cheapest

thing to do but the the big picture

dude there's it's an investment I would

have to had 30 guys

uh to take care of what that machine's

taking care of for me over the years

it's there's no comparison

to like 30 guys and how many man hours

it would have taken and that machine's

probably only got you know it's probably

got less than a thousand hours on it

yeah

yeah yeah so the the

get the right equipment maintain that

equipment take care of it and take care

of your body and if you do all that same

time you're actually

your equipment will take care of you as

well

working Gerardo saying that the chat

isn't working so I if he has a question

he can just type it on this uh q a right

oh yeah it looks like the chat Works uh

sorry Eduardo but if uh

oh yeah so Jocelyn says uh make sure

y'all eat food is the food food is the

fuel needed for the job that's a good uh

that's a good point don't forget to eat

take care and oops I'll throw in there

try to eat decent food if you can I know

when I was in out in the field all the

time I mean it's hard not to just go

grab the you know fast food joint down

the street but the the gas station hot

dog yeah the speed dog hot dog

uh we did have a guy that worked for me

for many many years that always every

single day had a peanut butter and jelly

sandwich and two bananas

that's what he had he had um himself a

little little deli sandwich an apple and

a banana and water that's oh yeah the

Tomato he's the one that taught me how

to not cut up the tomatoes and put it on

the sandwiches bring it and take bites

of it while you're eating your sandwich

so it doesn't get soggy and when I was

working with him that was man that was

about 15 years ago and he was already in

his late 70s and still healthier

physically than a lot of the young guys

that were early mid-20s uh not taking

care of themselves I learned a lot from

that guy

what was his name

Stan

Stan uh what was his last name Daniel

I'm drawing a blank on his last name I

should know it

Johnny knows if he's in there he left

already

eat good food not Casey's Pizza

eat good food not Casey's Pizza I think

that uh that's probably my favorite stop

uh someone says

eat rotisserie chicken and keep gaining

muscle

protein

all right well I know this was a little

um

you know maybe uh better suited for a

fitness podcast but the truth is that

you don't take care of yourself your

number one tool and you don't buy the

right equipment take care of your

equipment your number one tool is going

to let you down uh I've seen it happen

and I've experienced it with our crews

um so I'd encourage everybody to take

care of yourself

lift right use your equipment

work smart not hard uh you can do both

actually but work smart for sure and

um you know

try to keep your career going for for

many many years I I mean there's

examples of plenty of guys who make it

for years and they're usually the guys

that took care of themselves so easier

to work harder when you have the right

equipment because you're you're not

tearing yourself up doing everything

well I'm the freaking equipment it's

funner than pulling up carpet with you

in one inch strips hell of a lot better

to jump on a piece of equipment and you

use a a turbo or something like that

that's yeah and until it goes through a

wall well it's always collateral damage

better proper use of the equipment

proper use of the equipment proper use

all right guys you guys got anything in

closing on this uh little uh shorter of

a podcast

take care of your mental health as well

mental health has a lot to do with you

with your physical if you're not if

you're not correcting yourself mentally

or or consciously making an effort to to

to take care of yourself mentally then

the physical part isn't even going to

matter

um you're just not going to care at some

point I think sometimes they go hand in

hand like uh yeah I go see a therapist

through the bariatric place that I had

surgery at because you know

it is it's a it's a huge change and not

only that it's like they said you ever

need to talk to anyone about anything

definitely you know

give us a call and there was one point

where I was like yeah it's time to talk

to someone and it does a lot man it

really does all you got to do is

all it is is essentially event session

with someone that's not gonna say

anything or judge you and sometimes

that's all you need get past that stigma

yep yeah yeah

that's great advice guys I I I

tell you what

it's pretty easy to get down these this

you know when when the economy and you

got Wars and all this stuff and I don't

want to bring any negativity in uh to a

great degree but

taking care of your mind you know

compare yourself to your yourself

yesterday and not other people uh that's

a trick that one of my mentors taught me

is like you don't compare yourself to

other people you compare yourself to

your the version of you that was

yesterday and the version of you you

want to be and then you're just building

upon what you've done yesterday and you

can make those little one percent

changes and uh it makes a big difference

in your mindset makes a big difference

uh you know Daniel just told you man it

goes hand in hand taking care of your

mind and taking care of your body and a

good good strong mind usually equals

good strong body and not always but you

know they do correlate

um and then take care of your equipment

and by the way

Andy McWilliams started a group on

Facebook it's called Uh mind and body

for the flooring trade

so

what does it cost to jump on that mind

and body for the flooring trade

and that's on me that's what it's called

that's on Facebook group yep yeah it's a

group yeah

shoot that out we'll post this in our

social uh I would I'm interested in that

myself

yeah he's got some good some some good

motivation uh motivational posts on

there there's there's a good following

on there as well awesome

one of the best things that I've learned

on there is something that he posted

when he said it's none of my business

what other people think about me now I

live my life like that that is 100

the best advice ever I've heard that

same before it's hard to live by

sometimes it's like you know because we

do care about how we're perceived as

humans just the very nature but damn if

you could take that advice and take it

to heart

yeah that's a big Improvement right

there so awesome guys thanks again for

joining us this week I appreciate all

the comments and the Q and A's I didn't

get to every one of them I apologize

um but we do appreciate the uh

interaction and the uh you know

participation so we'll see you guys next

week and uh until then guys have a great

week all right stay safe

all right see you guys see ya

thank you