The Huddle - Episode 67 - Balancing Work and Life
In this episode, Daniel and Jose are solo and discussing balancing work & home life; from where they make sure to find balance to where they could improve themselves and some advice along the way.
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The HUDDLE is where the flooring industry can get together and talk about everything! Lead by Paul Stuart from Go Carerra who is joined by Daniel and Jose Gonzalez from Preferred Flooring.
hey what's up everybody Paul's night here he uh had some clients come in and
had to take care of them so it's just Theos today talking about
uh balancing work and life and we were just talking about before we started this how we're probably the worst people
to talk about this because I don't think we really have that that situation nailed down
right now I think uh we are pretty bad at that
a lot of the times were I mean just look at me like when was it two weeks ago I got my tonsil out on Monday and then I
was already back in the office on Tuesday but I think a lot of people can
relate because that's that's the way they are too right I mean especially if you're an owner operator if you're not
working you're not making money well if you're not working and you're
not trying to find work you're you're you're leaving gaps in your schedule too so I guess
uh like like Daniel said though like uh and sorry guys I'm on the road again as always I'm I'm actually almost to the
office I didn't make it um got stuck but there is no balance uh for for me
right now for for us I would say and it's hard because we're
depending on what part stage you're in in your business um or working for someone
doesn't you don't have to be a business owner but it depends on where you're at in life freedom and how
much Freedom you choose to have I guess um to have that work life uh work home
life balance um I I will say that and Daniel too is is I put myself
in a very bad awkward position to do my very best to attend all of my kids
sports um lot of late
nights you might want to turn your uh your camera off because you're breaking up a
lot all right there we go I'm going through all the trees right now but um how much of that did you
catch that that you uh try making it to all your kids
events yeah I I do my best to try to make it to all my kids events and then that might mean putting work on the back
burner for a couple hours um but I don't always go home after those
events I go back to work to catch back up um everybody wants everything done for
them right now or yesterday and that we're just a small team but we
try to do a lot of things for for everyone um we may overextend ourselves
most of the time uh but it's not always that busy uh just gota gota keep pushing forward and
hopefully and hope that you can have that balance
ini I seen a a post on Facebook right that they have it's a picture that says
you know in 20 years the only people that remember that you worked late are
your kids and that can go either way right because I look at it like I hope
they remember that to to see how hard I worked to give them the life that they
had but also that's where that balance comes in because we do take all the time
out in order to make it to most of their events yeah it's it's hard I
mean this summer was very hard uh overc committing I definitely overcommitted uh
the kiddos to sports but um I don't I don't ever want them to
not have something going on uh because it's inconvenient for me so they want to play ball we'll let
them play ball they want to play fall ball I'll let them play fall baseball football wrestling basketball whatever
whatever they want to do right now while they're young because when they get a little bit older it's not going to be the case and I know it um they got to
find what they like now so that way we can focus on what they love later uh and
that means a little bit of sacrifice on I might be half for time
but so all and all hopefully the balance comes later I guess is what I'm saying hopefully the balance comes later it's G
to be a little bit hectic right now it's like having the uh the the messy room right you know where everything's at
it's a mess but eventually you're going to find time to clean it up and then you're going to be able to enjoy it
well Rin is Rollin says hi and he's going to stay on here as long as he can
but just look at him like even you last year at CFI convention right you brought
your your family down there Rin had his wife and his grand kids with them this
year and it's like maybe that's part of the deal too right is introducing them
to to stuff like that because you don't always have to separate everything you
can inter mingle of the two you can bring your your personal life over to
work I mean just at the office here my our kids are here all the
time yeah I guess uh I guess you're right I guess you're right about that so may maybe there is more balance than
than we think or maybe we're just justifying it now I
don't I don't know and Rin says they do remember but when they start working
they understand and I kind I kind of feel that right because you look at back in the day you're like man I mean we
grew up with a single mom right and she's always working she had to and it's
like to she was always working but she like us tried to make it to events so I
remember her being at my concerts and stuff and falling asleep but you know what she was there she was there I
remember that too I remember sitting next to her while she fell sleep and then just laughing right but you you
look at it years later and that that's exactly the thought right like at least she was there at least she was trying
and that's really all you can do as a parent yep mad respect
mom and then you look at you know people that that have hobbies like Zach blows
glass and he'll work here he'll come to work and then right when he's done working he's like I'm go blow some glass
right he's got to get his his Hobby in there too and for a while he was I mean
he was gearing up for like I don't know what what you call it a show or a festival or something where he was
setting up a boo toell some stuff but I mean he was kind of overextending himself but I mean he was doing what he
loved to do and and you can't really knock him for
that you know yeah that's just that's just go the show too like uh you're right
um my my career my work supports my hobbies my hobbies are part of my
balance um and part of me being able to to maintain sanity because everybody
needs an outlet um now that I'm a little bit older and I have and I have kids my kids
are very much part of my hobby my habits um
because I no longer play ball I no longer uh gravel like that's not a
priority to me they are my priority so I I I do my very best to put their stuff
first before any hobbies of mine but I enjoy their stuff too so it's it's really it's really a was right like I
love I love being here well it's like um even when you were playing ball and
working in the field and stuff you still be
the the owner operators that that we were and still are right it was especially when we were in the field it
was like we got all this stuff to do so I would work from Monday through
Thursday as many hours as I could to make that cushion for Friday because I knew I wasn't going to be
there yes 100%
and be because you still had deadlines right you still you still had uh or we
we still had deadlines and that's the thing too is yes we we we do have a benefit of
being able to to kind of do that and work longer hours we're when we're in the field but
um and it's going to be different when your owner operator versus employee or versus uh um uh someone else who is well
off and doesn't need the the financial backing to enjoy themselves or or find that balance
but I still had a commitment to you as my brother to not leave you high and dry
right because I know if I put you in a bad spot then it put you in a bad spot with your family you wouldn't be able to have that time with them either or go
enjoy your hobbies so so we did do that we did we did kind of bust our ass so
that way we could enjoy the one day of our hobby or one day of family
time um that we might have had I think that's the one thing that throughout you
know us having preferred flooring is we've always been pretty set
on not just like not just the weekends but specifically Sundays we are not GNA
work on a Sunday and that that was for like the night jobs because they always wanted us to start on Sundays and it's
like no I'd rather work 80 hours from Monday through Thursday than to work
especially nights on a weekend yeah Sunday was definitely uh Sunday's
definitely for my family and uh before I had kids I every Sunday I would I'd play
softball all day I'd be at the the ballpark from 900 am until whatever
900m um or at tournaments but yep once uh once my son was born that is wi net
stopped 100% Rin says that the biggest thing
that he found that worked for him was to listen to his kids that's what the children remember
that he cared to hear them and it's like I guess I never really asked my kids I
just assumed that they want me to be at everything but that's because you know there I know Tanya one time went to a
she was at Caitlyn's bachelorette party for one day of the tour of one of his
tournaments and he still says oh Mom remember you miss my stuff all the time she missed like two games two games in
the past like five years yeah yeah that's that's uh so ran
you're right man you're right brother like uh the kids are kids are gonna [Music]
remember Ks are GNA remember the times that you weren't there rather than the times that you were they're going to remember everything that you missed
rather than the things that you were because as a parent man we're supposed to be there right as a a even if you're
not a parent and you're part of a support system and uh you know that's one of the things like if you're there
that's awesome but then remember that remember if it's something important and you didn't make it so always try to make
time for your family guys and try to make time for yourself that's the one thing that that balanced to like time
for my family is time for myself because I enjoy it right to an extent to an extent there
is there is that uh my kids do get a little annoy sometimes yeah Elena says being there
physically is not the same as being there mentally you have to clear the mental space for the family as
well and uh I think just looking looking at looking at
it personally right I listen I listened to the audio book um the miracle morning and had a
couple other people listen to it and started going to the gym early in the morning and that it really does it
really is like a Clarity moment for you just time for
yourself put my headphones in work clear my mind and you don't realize how big
that is until you start doing
it yeah that's I like that uh the book The 5 AM club man wish I I get some sleep through
the night I have been burning that midnight already for for a very long time though um
I'm just doing it because I have to find that balance to with uh with with the kiddos
um do you know that we had Sports every day of the week
except for Wednesday through the whole summer and then sometimes it was even
Wednesday man that really that really hurt the old time the
old time St but that that's the thing like with us though it's we constantly take our
work with us right because we're in the day where you got a computer in your
pocket now so it's real easy to just get a call hey what's going on with this let
me check on it for you and then with everything being in the cloud it just makes it that much
easier plus we're constantly taking our computers and stuff with us like uh when
we went to the Bahamas and December and I mean I think I I had a couple bids
do and every morning I would wake up the same time I would wake up here and work
and then once everyone started waking up that's when I was like all right this is that's my time let's go do something as
a family so it is it is that
balance So like um is that is that frowned upon like because I know that like you said so we could take our work
wherever um is that can that be considered balance
right like well Tanya said it's it makes it harder to separate the two because
it's we're we're constantly having that ability to do it but it's the
convenience of it that makes it difficult not to I mean remember when
she came with us she said yes it's frowned upon
but like when she came with with us to Vegas the first time when I went and
competed and she would stay in the the room and work right it's it's kind of
the same thing I think but she's listening to me she'll probably comment if it's not the
same thing well is this um you know some people have the luxury of uh of putting
in PTO and and being able to to have a separation and separate work from from home life uh unfortunately my my for me
my my work is my home life my home life is my work and everything that I do is based around
um is based around what we do right because not only it not only are are we
in business together as family but we work together and we're family and our our families are actually very are very
close so it's it's hard to go somewhere and not think
about family or work or both at the same time or how we can get or how we can get
one of our kids to come work because we always need help that too
um you know and and we Network when we're out like we're
even though we're not working we're working even though when we're not you know we don't have a computer in front
of us or we're not on the phone or or or trying to respond to a text message or email um we're all socializing we're
still working um it's just a different different kind of work um Social
Capital there there's balance too and you know we talk about family but what about what about friends and all that
you know as as you get older your circle gets smaller so it's a lot easier to find balance I guess when it comes to the friends because usually the the
family friends they'll come over to the house and that that perks a a no-brainer like
who stands out um over the course of years uh where you could pick up a
conversation where you left off and you didn't see somebody for a year right uh but everybody has families now too and
they're all doing their own thing and you got to respect that can't expect them to put their family on the back
burner to come and say hi to you reminisce about the old days
but it's always nice to catch up and find that introduce your kids to your friends that that you grew up with or
their kids matter of fact um Kelly that that we played fall ball
with in in Al like I've known that dude since I was I don't know 11 years old 10
years old and we have a kid the same age now and got him together to play ball
together he played fall ball with us we played fallball with him um it was it was fun that that's
nice that's like full circle type things right I think it's it's awesome seeing the the people that I went to high
school with going to the the same you know their kids are going to the same schools and they're a lot of our kids
are within a few years of each other and seeing them at the football games and stuff like that it's pretty pretty
awesome Kyle says um that we've learned how to charge enough to be able to
create free time instead of slave away to be able to afford the bills learn how to run a business instead of just being
an installer that's a huge step towards Freedom creating balance means going as
hard for your family as you do for your business and then right after that Tanya says that I've gotten a lot
better so that which is true right because when we first started and we say this all the time we were working seven
days a week like it was a straight up hustle we were grinding it
was work work work because we it was that that mindset where it was if I'm
not working today not getting paid tomorrow right yeah I mean it still kind
of is the the back your head because that's how we grew up um you know it it
can all be gone in the blink of an eye right don't take anything for granted um you know this two this that that thing
that this two shall pass so but can't just apply that to work and Kyle's right
um I don't want to say our our prices reflect being able to have free time that's that's really not what it is
that's just a reflection of the amount of effort we put into to getting better at our Craft um and the amount of effort
and and the backing like I got gota back that right like we gotta back that with with our
with with our finances you know we don't there's no in there's no insurance for
for bad installs you do a bad job there's nothing that you can pay for on a membership or monthly basis that that
will pay for uh for dumb installs um or bad choices so yeah we invest in
ourselves but that's also one thing investing in ourselves that does that's what gives us more time um we learn how
to be like you said more efficient um man that does give us a little bit
more time and and go to cool places like Florida last year you're right when I took my family that was nice I mean I I
don't want to do that again but that was nice that's that's a that's a fun headache
right those are the times where no vacations with a more work than
it is vacation it's more work going on
vacation with I'm gonna come in the
office oh he's coming inside right now cuz he just got
here I don't Kyle says that we learn how to we
learned our worth and provide value which is that's what what
everyone should be working towards anyways but I think it's more than that
because we're one of the only the only flooring companies over
here I don't know if we are not but we were definitely kind of started it
was providing the PTO and everything for the installers because everyone else is
just on a 1099 and we kind of seen that value in US wanting to do it why
wouldn't we want the employees to do it as well it ends up giving have more time to
they're investing in themselves in their future and if they have a family they can use that PTO to hang out with their
family they like Rollins says uh his 49th wedding
anniversary is is that Tuesday or Thursday come
on should he take the day off he said that like a like a straight up masul turst
[Laughter] thirst sorry guys good he take it the
day off for his wedding anniversary uh yes it's only the 49th though the you
gota wait till the 50th for the day off I think yeah you can't make a deal big
deal about this one you gotta make a big deal about the next one right I don't know I think I'm the wrong person to ask
for all that Tanya says Rin that's a weekend
playing um and don't listen to me appar I think this turned into a episode of us
justifying our our viewpoints on how we find balance for ourselves right because
we're justifying it the way a business owner would instead of the way a family
um would look at it so like if anybody out there has better information or more information or find or has had some
success in a different approach um and I'd love to hear it anybody who has a
different Viewpoint besides owner operator um but if you're married to an owner operator or involved with one then you
can't you don't count because because your Viewpoint is gonna be biased
100% well um that's our fault too though but I think over over the course of the
years that we've been in business not only have we tried to get better about things but they've also tried to get
better about it as well and not getting as angry when you're like well I have to work till 7:30 8:00 tonight because I
got a bid due that that's due tomorrow and they don't care what excuse you have I had to go pick up my kid that don't
that don't matter if the bid is due at at 12: pm and if you're one minute late
sometimes it's done yeah opportunity missed um or like me yeah I only got
like an hour I gotta get this one thing out and then my computer starts messing up and I got to figure that out I'm no
computer with so it takes me a little bit of time to to get my feedback under me um the other day though I I did the
last couple days when I worked late I did leave my computer at home because if I bring it
home I'll straight I'll say oh you know what I forgot to send
this I forgot to look at this let me go grab my computer and then I get stuck working at the dining room table and
that's not fair to my kids when I'm there so I I have left it left it at the
shop yeah Kyle says he think everyone is going to work at their own Dynamic what
works for someone may not work for someone else and that's 100% accurate right and that's why you have people
that it it takes a different mind set to actually run a business and to work for
yourself because if you're not really self-motivated you're really not going
to end up getting anywhere because there's and that's one of the
misconceptions right because a lot of people are like oh you you own your own business you have so much money you can do whatever you want when it's like no I
have my own business that means I have to work twice as much as everyone else because there's there's so many things
that can go wrong and we have to try and prevent those on the front
end but it's you just don't know and that's what
makes you just keep on grinding and trying to
to get as much work as possible and then you end up getting yelled at for
scheduling work through a weekend that I haven't told anyone about yet
but well now you know it was the schedule that they had so now you
know yeah I think I'm pretty much spent on on the on this because like I'm
just open to to ideas um you put me in a position to go work
all day every day I will go work all day every day I will find something to do I'll find something to read find
something to learn um I would have no balance if it wasn't for my kids I would
have no balance if it wasn't for um for family saying stop working
right like I wouldn't I would just I would work like the other day I went put what
I was out in the field for what six hours and came in here to put eight hours in the office we didn't have no sports that day
what do you want me to do go spend time with my kids right I think sometimes it's easier when like the kids have
practice to be be able to just be like all right I'm gonna go pick you up drop you off over here come back over here
because the school is what four minutes away yeah five minutes four minutes so it's just so convenient to be like
all right I'm GNA drop you off I'm come back here I'm gonna do an hour and a half of work go pick you back up go
home and then Elena says it's different with everybody when she grew up she felt like her dad was there for everything
and that her mom would disagree but if she remembers him being there that was quality time right because it doesn't
matter what you're doing your your parents are there that's that should be quality time I would think because that's what we do like even when they're
on the field that's I mean that's what we pay for right is here go entertain
me but her brother says that her brother says that Dad was never home and always
putting work first I would I would kind of wanna ask your brother now how he feels
about it now that that you're older you know that that's one thing let that as
far as viewpoints is it might look like like I put work first or Daniel puts work first but realistically we're
putting our family first right because if we stop grinding we could lose what we have and
that's what it is and until we're at a point where where we don't have to invest so much of our own time to to
have um to have something successful or something succeed on its own and and
self-sustain itself um then that's it like I mean I would I wouldn't sit at
home all day every day but if I didn't have um the pressure of providing for my
family or making sure that I'm doing the best to help provide for employees and their family and and making sure I'm not
putting Daniel and his family in a bad spot like it would life would be a lot
easier but that's not what I'm about it's not who I am I
gotta work hard no matter if I'm working for myself or somebody else I think if you you look at it in terms of like um
winning the lottery right it's like you ask someone what would you do if you won the lottery and then people will start
being like buy this buy that right I'm like man if I won the lottery we could expand the business and not have to
worry about all the finances that we're doing right now um have a building can
rent out can do a little like a because you know I think if you look
looking back when I when I started when I was 12 right I was always like this is something I don't want to do I hated
flooring and then you just keep on doing it and it and it becomes second AG a
mindset to where it's this is going to be my career and then eventually it turned into a passion right and that's
why we go to the conventions and stuff like that because got to hang out with other flooring nerds that think the same
way you do and you know what that that right there is another balance right there and um we
go we don't only go because it's about flooring we go for the people um and it
it recharges us whenever we go to a place like that it just they want 100% does and it's uh if somebody told you
any anything different um then they're going for all the wrong reasons
um it just kind of puts the passion back into it revitalizes us gives us uh more
ideas and conversations like this podcast about balance
um a lot of a lot of family conversations go on at places like that
and it's very much appreciated and Tanya says she always
tells the kids that no one grind harder than their dad I work I work to get stuff done and
I still make it to games practices and rehearsals and yeah and the kids get super angry sometimes because if you got
to be to practice at 5: I will get you there at 5 you want to be there 15 minutes minutes early sorry it probably
not going to happen but I'm still getting you there and I think that's something that they're not going to
realize until they get put in that situation where it's like man I can't believe like even some of the other
parents were like I can't believe how much you guys do like having three kids doing different sports
and having to drive people everywhere it's like I don't know either
but it's it's not something that you think about it's just something that has to get done so it's like boom go over
here pick you up drop you off come back to work pick you up and it's like oh I gotta go I gotta go my son
supposed to be there in five minutes have you ever heard you love your work more than
her I don't know if Tanya has ever said that I love my work more than I love
her I don't think so probably just getting angry because I just working all the time but she has gotten a lot better
over the years I don't know I've never really like hung out with my tool pouch like
that I love [Music] you but
it I mean the the work life balance man it's
just you find it's all it's all relative to who you are and what you do it's
making sure that you're happy and your house is happy and that's
really really what it comes down to and it's it's a constant Evolution too right
because it went from working seven days a week basically 24 hours a day because
it was at the time we were working what an hour and a half away when we first
started every day for like six months basically so we would leave in the
morning not get back and then it's like eat something go to bed do it all over
again Jeremy said it's tougher for the installer still on their knes to be able to take them to practices and games
depending on the time of course um yes and no I mean if you have set hours and
you're still not making it then then that's on you if you work for a place that all you have to do is communicate
and say hey this is what we're doing this summer as a family my daughter my son is playing
sports I'm pretty sure most places will help you and work with you but if you wait till last minute and drop bombs on
people when um there's no it's just a surprise like anything
else right but if you plan for it and then that's what you're trying to do most employers will help work around it I mean we got people now that coach we
got a um uh a guy who's got uh things to do
like twice a week he's got his his own thing that he's got going on and we get it and that's the thing right it's like
hey can I to have someone come in and be like can I come in an hour early because I
got to leave an hour early today or hey I got to do this in the middle of the day but I'll still come in after that
and make up that that time it's I I just think that's where the mindset from an
owner and an employee is though because an employee just like hey I got stuff to do I'm just
leaving but if you have that different and you don't have to be an owner to have the mindset because we were like
this back when we were working for people too it's like I have something to do but I still know that I have this job
to do and it has to be done at this time so I can fit it in if I do it like this
and then I'll come back and it's I mean Jeremy's seen me do it when we were
working at at the hospital it's like I'm leaving my son has the tournament on Friday so I'm G to I'm there till 89
o'clock every day because I'm making up those hours that I would have worked on Friday but I'm doing it throughout the
week and sometimes you don't have that luxury um the projects but that you're
on don't allow you to to work when someone's not there to babysit you on a commercial project anyway but um I think
as long as everything's communicated I think it can be worked out with enough time uh but that's part of the balance
right communication is part of the balance communication is part of everything that we do um any anything you do moving forward you gotta commun
communicate with your kids the coach uh the the mother like like everything
right yeah and that's what T says work life balance means treating your family the way you would treat your business
with care and consideration and I think that was probably one of my faults for a
long time was I was too focused on one instead of to the other like like she said earlier I like you can be there
physically but not mentally right and you can go and do all these things but
unless your your mind is there too then it really doesn't count and I think um
when we started listening to a lot of audio books and stuff like that sometimes you have
to to look outside of yourself and realize that someone else even if it's just
listening to an audio book or reading a book and taking some bits of information from different sources can help you out
in the long run and communication was one of those things and now we talk
about communication all the time it's like what is the biggest part of running
a business communication what is the biggest part of running a household communication and it's communicating
with everyone on how how things are going how they should go and really
like since we're talking about work life balance right we got to communicate with how you feel and tell people at
home dude I got a magnet board at my house with weeks and chores and that's
what I use here at the shop for uh um for projects and and allocating
Manpower uh yeah everybody knows how to use
it is easy even the kids can use it kids move their their their chores around we
have it's a team effort to make sure that there is balance and balance is maintained that's for sure and your team
is your house your team is your crew your team is your employees your co-workers like you all around A Team uh
you all work together if somebody's got something important to do at the end of the week and they have a goal and they
and I want them to reach that goal I want them to get out of work you know and it's not as as an owner is not a a
money grabber have them do more work it's just I remember I used to feel bad when
I work for someone and feel guilty having to to take a vacation and take two days off at the at the end of a busy
work week so I would still do those extra hours I left on a Thursday morning I would work I probably still work 40
hours Monday through Wednesday to make sure that my team wasn't in a bad spot so that way there was peace when I when
I left and peace when I came back um yeah J Su says there has to be a lot
of communication with family and work and it's hard right sometimes you have to sacrifice
yourself and I mean it's hard either
way like have I missed bids because things were going on yes have I
missed kids things because I had too much work going going on also yes and
it's it sucks either way but in the long
run I another bid will always be there but missing that performance or
something like that you'll never be able to get that back so and I've been a bad uncle about that lately man I've been
trying to I got too many nephews and nieces to try to go to other stuff with my kids playing though that's the
problem is I think the problem is we all have too many kids that do things in it that's I said we made one fall ball game
for your son good enough that's that checks that checks the box like I already made a football game for the
nephews and the one game I was supposed to make is the day my computer messed up and I was here till one o'clock in the
morning trying to fix it and that that was on a Wednesday and that was our day off and my son wanted
to go everybody came in the town and I I got stuck so right now my work life balance thing that I have going on is
we're doing the podcast right now and then when we're done with this I'm about
to turn everything off and then go grab Tanya and Arya and then we got um
marching band today
yeah oh my god um you know what they had a little bit
more balance and this is a shout out to Kyle uh when I we were in that group together when I was in the his uh
Mastermind group uh we did a year I think I was with you for a year uh every
other week for a year and I I did I did make a lot more I was more intentional at making
time for the family during that whole time but we had a couple good groups of of people that were very family oriented
and it kind of boost you so so maybe that's another thing is is find surround yourself with the right people um that
enjoy family time and maybe that that energy will transfer over
yeah and then Tanya did take some time off work so she can go drop him off at the school so I didn't so I could
actually do the podcast today so thank you Tanya oh Jus is in Vegas right now hey
go hit another jackpot yeah but I mean I don't I think this is
about as far as we can go today we've covered a lot and like I said we're
probably not the best people to talk to about work life balance we just V after you guys for a while that's all we did
yeah at the same time I think um it was a good conversation because a
lot of people in the industry can probably relate and you know take something away from this as far
as you got to pick and choose what what your what's more important
sometimes and it's not saying that one is like significantly more important or
one significantly less important it's just man if I really want this bid I'm
going to stay here till 9 o' tonight to get it sometimes that's what has to happen as long as you can go back the
next day and make that game everything's all good even if you go to a concert and
fall asleep watching it like that's legit that's how I watch
movies with my kids sleep I'll say movie night and they're all excited they'll put on a movie that I have no interest
in watching and we'll cuddle and I'll sit there in 10 minutes in Tanya and Arya don't let me do that
oh also you can't watch TV and be on your phone at the same time because Arya
don't like that either that's good good for her good for
her but I think uh we're all set today guys don't forget to
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and and we missed you Paul you're you're way better at moderating a conversation than we are rant because you you
probably have notes and stuff we just are on here talking feel in dead air bro so thanks
everybody for joining us today and uh we'll see you guys next week have a good one